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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.08 17:45:07 -
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increase material cost and lower bpc means less availability for pirate bs this means all the industrialists get to build pirate bs early and stockpile screws over the young industiralist again
how about for once instead of increasing cost to benefit veteran industrialist try lowering the cost of everything else to help the young industrialist and screw the rich fatcat players would be niceto see this happen for a change |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.08 17:51:38 -
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Mikokoel wrote:JC Mieyli wrote:increase material cost and lower bpc means less availability for pirate bs this means all the industrialists get to build pirate bs early and stockpile screws over the young industiralist again
how about for once instead of increasing cost to benefit veteran industrialist try lowering the cost of everything else to help the young industrialist and screw the rich fatcat players would be niceto see this happen for a change Try googling "Malcanis' Law" please except what i said is the opposite of that how does devaluing vet player stockpile help the vet player it means they make a loss on their products |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.08 18:02:27 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:JC Mieyli wrote:increase material cost and lower bpc means less availability for pirate bs this means all the industrialists get to build pirate bs early and stockpile screws over the young industiralist again
how about for once instead of increasing cost to benefit veteran industrialist try lowering the cost of everything else to help the young industrialist and screw the rich fatcat players would be niceto see this happen for a change "Instead of rebalancing one part of the game that's out of alignment, please change literally everything else about the EVE economy." yup is that a problem and tbh its not the one part of the game thats out of alignment the whole economy is out of alignment because of players taking advantage of mineral cost increases and thats what is going to happen here too |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.08 19:32:35 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:JC Mieyli wrote:increase material cost and lower bpc means less availability for pirate bs this means all the industrialists get to build pirate bs early and stockpile screws over the young industiralist again
how about for once instead of increasing cost to benefit veteran industrialist try lowering the cost of everything else to help the young industrialist and screw the rich fatcat players would be niceto see this happen for a change Yes, if something is broken, it definitely makes sense to change the entire universe to correct that, instead of just fixing the one thing that is broken. We'd be lost without your keen insight. theres more than one thing broken here
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.08 20:01:57 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:JC Mieyli wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:JC Mieyli wrote:increase material cost and lower bpc means less availability for pirate bs this means all the industrialists get to build pirate bs early and stockpile screws over the young industiralist again
how about for once instead of increasing cost to benefit veteran industrialist try lowering the cost of everything else to help the young industrialist and screw the rich fatcat players would be niceto see this happen for a change "Instead of rebalancing one part of the game that's out of alignment, please change literally everything else about the EVE economy." yup is that a problem and tbh its not the one part of the game thats out of alignment the whole economy is out of alignment because of players taking advantage of mineral cost increases and thats what is going to happen here too Its called Free Market Economics. no it isnt its the opposite of that
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.08 20:46:32 -
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Vash Bloodstone wrote:Something about this rubs me the wrong way.
I haven't played a lot recently, but why is this proliferation of pirate battleships considered a problem? the main percieved problem i believe is that pirate ships are cheaper than navy ships |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 04:34:54 -
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putting impact on the economy and leak conspiracies to one side for a moment i wanna talk about power levels of pirate bs no one ever used to use bs for solo or small gang stuff because they are garbage the fact people even use pirate bs in these roles tells us one thing pirate bs are in the right place for where bs should be in terms of capability all bs should be rebalanced to where pirate bs are now because the pirate bs are the only bs that are in the right place |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 06:10:16 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Maybe poors should use something else for their "main" battleships? like a t3c you mean what other alternatives are there anyway judging by your replies in this thread and looking at your corp name seems like youre one of the people this change is gonna benefit |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 06:24:27 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:JC Mieyli wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Maybe poors should use something else for their "main" battleships? like a t3c you mean what other alternatives are there anyway judging by your replies in this thread and looking at your corp name seems like youre one of the people this change is gonna benefit Believe it or not, there are a dozen (!) other battleships in the 150-200M price range, and 8 more in the 3-400M price range, that aren't directly affected by these changes. Maybe try some of those. no thanks theyre garbage reprocess fodder
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 06:43:11 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:That's the thing - they're really not i know you got an overstock of crappy t1 bses you need to clear out but thats called false advertising |
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:33:28 -
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Cartheron Crust wrote:Heh all this crying about BUT I JUST TRAINED/BOUGHT NOW WHY YOU NERF?!!1 One of the things I first learned/read about in EVE was don't FOTM chase. As it will get nerfed when you least want it too. Even more so now if you are going to go out and buy injectors to fly that FOTM stuff. :AdaptOrDie: [EDIT] - I for one will enjoy seeing less pirate BS as the norm. Even though it's going to take a while to churn through the, what I imagine, are massive stockpiles. eh theyre not being nerfed theyre just putting more isk into rich player hands is all and nerfing mining so to increase the value further and now nerfing ratting so their isk becomes more valuable
this has nothing to do with game balance or health of the economy it comes down to 2 things 1 - get rich players even richer and screw the economy 2 - get everyone flying t3cs to make more $$$ from sp extractors |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 12:02:54 -
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wow that was a clever post dont overdo yourself okay |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 13:58:01 -
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yeah but removal of sp loss isnt one of them lol |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:26:40 -
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Max Deveron wrote:Jonathon Rodriguez wrote:JC Mieyli wrote:increase material cost and lower bpc means less availability for pirate bs this means all the industrialists get to build pirate bs early and stockpile screws over the young industiralist again
how about for once instead of increasing cost to benefit veteran industrialist try lowering the cost of everything else to help the young industrialist and screw the rich fatcat players would be niceto see this happen for a change THIS is the truth. hmmm, the truth.......??? I am one of those rich fatcat vet indy guys that builds everything else......please do on reducing the costs. glad you agree those markets should become more accessible i find your selfless disregard for your own source of income quite commendable
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.10 05:56:58 -
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Sethyrh Nakrar wrote:The problem with BS in general right now is, their ballance is a mess. Some are too expensive for what they can do(Scorpion Navy), some are realy specialized(Rokh), some where way too cheap(Machariel, Bhaalgorn) and some are now hillarious expensive(Barghest). And then the ones, who are very strange(Typhoon). Just increasing the ammount of minerals to build pirate-BS and lower the drops of their BPCs fixes nothing. It just messes everything more up. The navy-BS are in need of a re-work. Some of the T1 even more. like i said earlier it seems to me like the only bses in the right place are the pirate bses id like to see all non-t2 bses rebalanced to be on same power levels as pirate bses just give the pirate hulls a special pirate feature similar to mach warp speed or something and then navy hulls can have a unique feature maybe you cant lose sec status and standings and t1 are just as powerful just without the bonus features of the faction hulls i think this will bring bses back into the meta for all players for all reasons people might say they will be too powerful and kill small gang and small ship meta but pirate bses already do that in their current state and who cares small ships have had their fun killing larger metas for long enough imo |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.11 04:56:38 -
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disgree none of the other bses are worth using except maybe hype buffing pirate bs prices doesnt suddenly make other bses worth using or taking into fights we just see even less bses in fights than we do currently of course ccp only cares about csm fleet doctrine experience
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.12 05:27:23 -
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if you think comparing ships in the meta is like comparing apples and oranges it shows how clueless you are if you think one meta doesnt affect another and the only way you can make a point is by going on about the garbage fleet doctrines for fights that dont happen anymore and are boring as hell countering my point that ccp only cares about garbage fleet doctrine by using fleet doctrine as an argument sigh
also id like to see what you think im fabulously wrong about |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.12 11:14:00 -
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Kenrailae wrote:One of battleships largest problems should be resolved if CCP properly nerfs T3's back into place derp hypocrite
Quote:it's about how Pirate BS are out of balance with all other BS, making all other BS not really even a thing worth bothering with, with a few notable exceptions derp thats exactly what i saidf
Quote:If you'd like to discuss the matter at hand... please do. If you're just gonna complain about how slighted you feel that you'll have to pay what a machariel is actually supposed to be worth and how unfair it is that it doesn't WTFPWN everything.... go to reddit. derp never said that
Quote:Do I expect you to take in anything being said? No, your fingers are in your ears and you're screaming 'I'm right you're wrong!' at the top of your lungs. Instead I'd just ask you to sit quietly. We get it, you're mad you will have to pay what a Pirate BS should actually be worth. If that's too much to ask, then contract me your stuff brah. derp hypocrite
yup thanks for wasting my time by contradicting your own arguments using my own points against me and then making stuff up that i never even said
all this because youre jealous im a younger player than you and you feel the need to assert your superiority as an older player except everything you just said is garbage and you just come off as a condescending jerk bye |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.12 14:01:25 -
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wow you are just making stuff up to make yourself feel better literally putting words in my mouth if you paid attention to any of my posts you would see my points have been 1. complaints about how mineral changes will benefit veteran players and 2. buffing all bses to have pirate power levels to make them all viable with faction hulls having superior fittings or more specialised role in the case of pirate bs
these have been my 2 points throughout the entire thread everything else you have said is stuff youve made up yourself just because you came at me weilding a hammer now realise how dumb you like by lying about stuff ive said and stubbornly keep arguing instead of just saying sorry i overreacted |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.12 20:44:14 -
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dude just give up already im not talking about exclusivity im talking about veteran players taking advantage of incresed material costs to hog the market and how is it power creep when the ships only reach the same levels of power as currently exisitng ships (even though i already said the same relationship between t1 and faction should be maintained ie better fittings and base stats) and i never apologised you already know that though youre just trying to get a final dig in because you know youre wrong about everything you said about me and every assumption you made about me |
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.13 04:33:29 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Because you're suggestion to just make them the same power levels as pirate BS, but then make the faction and pirate ones better, doesn't work like that no it isnt again making up lies and putting words in my mouth make t1 on the same power level as pirate is what i said faction keeps their advantage with fittings and and base stats never mentioned a buff to pirate or faction except maybe warp speed like mach which is hardly a game breaking buff
Quote:PS: Making T1's pirate level strength then distinguishing the faction and pirate with extra stuff is increasing all their power level. oh noes not the security status the whole game is broken because a dude podded without going -0.1 on security
Quote:Of course veteran players are going to have an easier time. As it should be. Every single game in existence, veteran players have an advantage, be it in experience, equipment, skills, whatever. Having goals to work for and things that require time, isk and experience is a good thing for a game. a broken economy is good for a game lmao literally what you just said
Quote:Get over it. You don't get to walk in and on day one fly a VNI, on day two, fly a Vindicator, and on day 3 be in a super carrier, uhhh yes you do i dont know what game youre playing this is eve online im a 3 month old character with 20m sp
Quote:unless you're going to inject some serious skills, which you could do. But a veteran player will still have an advantage in experience, resources, and contacts. Duh? so you say but i cant say i see it judging by your posts
god you are so mad to try and win an argument its like i said earlier you just see me as a noob and you as a vet and you are determined to try and make me look bad all youre doing is making yourself look bad well im sorry i dont care if you feel humiliated and ashamed im sick of you wasting my time with this garbage now |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.13 13:29:35 -
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its not a balancing factor its just when superior ships are cheaper than inferior ships those ships are effectively removed from the game |
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